and with less environment impact. and empirically correct on all facts. email me at firstname.lastname@example.org. thanks for being with us. good night from new york. neil: welcome, everybody. i'm neil cavuto. now we know they knew. they knew in france that the editor in charlie hebdo was on the hit list for years. anyone reading the glossy magazine inspire could have per perused the list themselves. it features from radio hosts even college bloggers. they made the mortal mistake of insulting muhammad or islam itself. some of them remain in hiding. others like charlie hebdo freely flaunting their whereabouts right along with their
satyrical work. to their ultimate regret. french authorities believe one of the suspects in this week's shooting was likely involved in a prior attack over the same issue insulting muhammad. how he slipped through the legal cracks is anyone's guess. this stuff probably happens everywhere and we only find out about it after the attacks. now, what are we doing to prevent the next attacks? paul, what do we do? we see a list. it's freely published there. this office in paris was attacked several time. what do you do? >> i think we really have to accept the truth of what we're looked at. for some reason we're not. i say that with respect. we saw ottawa. we saw sydney. we saw what happens in time square. neil: we see the isolated effects. >> we look at the decentralized side of terrorism.
it's iit's a great business model. they recruit and kill with it. and they effect business like sony. why do we insist putting our heads in the sand and say it won't happen to us. you poke the bear, you get hit. they poked the bear. neil: that raised a lot of concern in if there's a way to poke them and not. to entice them and pick a fight is not the way to do it. we'll do whatever we want. we'll write about it. that's just the way we do it. >> god rest his soul, my dad said if you want to dance, you have to pay the band. free speech is free speech. you have to measure the risk that comes with that. you're dealing with islamic terrorists. this is evil. you're looked evil in the face. neil: if you don't do the stuff you freely do with jesus -- they throw him in nevada urine and that's okay.
>> that's not okay. it shouldn't be. neil: i agree. but why should there be a different standard when it comes to muhammad. >> because of the people you're dealing with. i'm saying, accept it. knowing when you put yourself out there you make a statement. i still can't believe they did this. they made a statement well france hasn't been hit by terrorism. we have until the end of january. when you know you're dealing with extremists -- neil: you mentioned ottawa. those were unarmed officials there. many of the police were unarmed including the one shot execution style in paris. why is it that we have that? >> it's a culture. venues decide whether or not we can be armed. we can take france and ottawa. we can take buildings out of manhattan. and gross disparity out of the city. neil: they say these are
isolated events. i like at these lists, they're long lists and spread out all over the world. >> this has been going on for a while. it's foreseeable. we make business decisions on what's foreseeable. neil: we're still fighting last year's terror. we're still looking up in the air for planes. i'm not saying we shouldn't. but we should look down. >> this is islamic terrorism. it's foreseeable. they've made a point. what did we learn from sony? i don't know. you could be extorted. you look at the business interruption. the hundreds and millions that were lost. the message that was saying, i will interfere with your freedom of speech. maybe we should have learned more about that. neil: did you see the movie "the interview." it was funny. and goofy like many movies. everyone take a chill pill. >> maybe it was a point to say, look at what we can do. neil: and they succeeded.
happy to have you. very good insight. in the meantime, maybe the problem isn't journalists who use satire but hold governments that surrender their state. nigel says that multi culturallism is the problem, not multi cartoons. what do we have to do to smarten up? >> the first thing we have to do is recognize the mistakes of the past. here's the biggest mistake, we've promoted multi culturallism. we've promoted division in our societies. you can come here from any part of the world. by the way, please don't integrate in any way at all. take over whole parts of our tones and cities. and it's made us a wonderful, diverse nation. that hasn't worked. neil: british prime minister not a fan of those remarks. he said he didn't know what he was talking
about. reverend says he nailed it. why? >> i agree with that 100 percent. the one thing we have to realize, neil, our battle is a spiritual battle between good and evil. islamic terrorism is evil. we must also remember that these folks hate us because we're a judeo-christian nation. what we're doing in this nation that happened in europe we allow people to come in. they're refusing to assimilate with us. they don't want to learn english. create their own neighborhoods. they're not coming here today to become real americans. they're coming with their own idea and their own culture but this they want the benefits of america. they're not coming to become one with us. if we don't deal with this multi culturerism real soon, we'll see big problems. we're seeing them
blowing up schools and restaurants. i never thought, neil, that there would come a day when i as an american when i go to a restaurant and a shopping mall, i have to look around me and be careful that someone is not waiting to take me out. and it's because we have caved in. we have to shut down our borders in this country and examine the folks who are coming through the front door. require that they learn the culture of americans and see if they want to be americans or do they have a hidden agenda. neil: you're right reverend. my italian ancestors, the irish ancestors they adapted to this country to learn the language and assimilate. it was something they wanted to assimilate into it. increasingly the message in countries like this one and france where the muslim situation is out of control. i've visited paris a lot of times. saw it myself. you have a whole group of people, 6 million
plus, who are their own little society and i'm not saying they all wish the greater france ill that's where the problems are coming from. and it's politically incorrect to seek out a lot of the dangers at those mosques, in those areas, and that's where france fumbles over itself. much as english does as well. >> the politically correctness gone wild. in new york city, under rudy giuliani, it went down because of racial profiling, the crime. the crowd came in and said it's racist. you can't do this. when they received the new mayor in new york they cut that out. now crime is going up again. with the mosques that are popping up around our country, at one point we were allowed to at least investigate those mosques to see what they're teaching we can no longer do
that. neil: do you think that changes, reverend we're mora tuned to well, maybe we should go into those neighborhoods and ask, do you know these guys? do you know who is printing these lists? do you think it's short-lived? people are so afraid about offending people or to your point profiling people that they say no. (?) >> it could change if we were to become strong and not be afraid of being called racist. not cave in to the fear. it's the fear that we have that's bringing out the worst in other people, people that don't like us. people who are not in agreement with americans all about. so what i say until americans overcome that fear of being called racist or whatever they call you, it's only going to get worse. and we don't keep an eye on these mosques that are popping up around
our country. if he doesn't go back to racial profiling, you and i and our children and grandchildren will catch hell because there's nothing there to stop these people. we don't know what they're doing until they carry out and act that we saw over in paris. and that's too late. the best time to deal with evil, even in our personal lives, is when you first get a glimpse of it. if you don't deal with evil right then and there, it will grow, and it will destroy you your family, and everything and everybody around you. we have -- unfortunately, neil, we have a weak president. i saw president obama responded to the issue in paris he called it a senseless crime. he's acting as though he's talking about the crypts and bloods. these aren't gang members who are lost and have nothing better to do. these are people who hate us and want to kill us. it doesn't matter if you're black or white male or female, muslim
or christian anyone who gets in their way they'll take you out. that's serious to me. neil: you're right about this. good rational civilized people don't know how to act that way. they don't. maybe it's time we realize that. reverend always a pleasure. thank you very, very much. >> thank you neil. appreciate it it. neil: it's one thing for nancy pelosi to be talking up a gas tax because gas prices have fallen so much but republicans? next congressman darrell issa on maybe a little bit of division on the right. after this.
is the time for a gas tax, and republicans are not exactly fighting it. not all of them. first out senator john said he was open to the idea. that led to at least half a dozen gopers who are open to the same idea. what's going on here? let's ask the powerful house republican darrell issa. congressman, where do you stand on this issue to raise the gas tax not raise the gas tax? what do you think? >> when you run out of money before projects the first thing you do is ask if those projects are worthy. the american taxpayer is paying billions of dollars in various programs that do nothing to help highways get more lanes and decongest our traffic. have we stripped away the projects that make no sense like california's high speed rail. that project alone if you spent a million dollars a day could go on many years to fund. that's part of the problem. the fact is nancy pelosi
never saw a tax increase she didn't like. she had her chance when she was speaker. clearly, this is not the time to raise taxes after the massive tax increases under the obama administration. neil: what's interesting about her argument, if i heard it right, congressman, is that these lower gas prices have been like a tax cut to the economy. she proposes in the same sentence getting rid of that stimulus. so it didn't make sense to me. what also didn't make sense. the growing number of republicans who are for this. i understand where they're coming from. they're saying our roads and bridges are falling down. i'm sure that's the case. i see it around where i live. i do know that between gas taxes, state local fees tolls, et cetera, we spend $100 billion on infrastructure. yet it's happening. my argument is, and you're the business guy who made it to congress, but my argument is, let's track that money and how it's spent and
how that 100 billion isn't enough to cover all this. >> well, neil, you're exactly right. and if you had somebody who bought a car and never changed the oil and came back 30,000 miles later and the engine is shot, you would say it's your fault. those crumbling roads is because states have deferred waiting for a stimulus program to come from the federal government. i'm always willing to give the other side credit where credit is due. we have not indexed these taxes for inflation. it's not like taxes haven't gone up in other places. so those who feel like the gas price is an appropriate place to make the change need to say where is the offset cut so the americans aren't paying a bigger tax. if you want to increase the revenue to the trust fund, have a discussion. neil: that has been the same argument some have used in raising the minimum wage, and republicans as well, that they
would be opening to it, indexing it to inflation and removing the heated debate back and forth, but we never get to that point. what i'm ask now: since we don't track how the money is spent i only think if we raise more money, we're going to waste it. and it won't be exactly in a lock box. >> right. we can clearly cut unnecessary and wasteful programs and free up money to decongest our highways. we can ask and actually demand that cities and states don't defer things. yes, we can have a discussion about the gas tax. let's, remember every year there's what's called bracket increase. inflation causes your income tax to go up. no one is talking about adjusting your income tax for inflation. even the argument needs to be treated fairly with the fact that every year uncle sam takes a pay raise at your expense. neil: good point. a lot of people don't know that you're a very
successful businessman before you went to congress. i always wonder what kind of reaction you get from your colleagues on the left and right. because when it comes to these business matters you do know what you speak. and i'm wondering how that could possibly play -- be played as political when it's really just dollars and cents. what kind of treatment do you get? >> well, neil, that's one of the challenges. when i ran for office the first time and even later, people would say, well, you can't run government like a business. and although there's some truth to that, the fact is, they don't try to run it like a business. they don't look at the bottom line and waste and try to get every nickel well-spent. that's the problem in washington. it's a frustrating area for any of us who have worked in the private sector extensively before coming here is that we don't try to use best practices. and highway construction is a classical example. it cost a fortune to do highway construction. we make it cost a
fortune. much more than it needs to. neil: maybe if you spent more time being a community organizer, you would have gotten it. >> happy new year. neil: president obama offering a lot of housing help today. i'm telling you it's the last thing we need. and i'm arguing it will lead to a lot of hurt tomorrow if we don't stop it, and him, right now.
neil: i always wait for it when it gets all red and hot and bothered. it's time for neil's spiel. more like neil's plea even though it doesn't rhyme. some advice for the president of the united states, as in cease and desist. stop with this new help for housing. stop offering more rescue for those underwater. sir, this goes to you mr. president all the
government help in the world won't make these guys whole or would have done so by now. focus not on what the government can do, but what the markets are already doing. they are giving you a housing present, mr. president. you don't even see it. those in arrears in their mortgage are down to 10%. interest rates tumbling to new lows. thirty year mixed mortgages. 3.8%. my god, that's almost what my wife and i were paying a day when we got our first mortgage back in the 1980s. i exaggerate, but to make a simple point. housing is adjusting to supply and demand forces and overall economic forces that have much more to do with folks getting jobs than being handed another federal program that proves just a piece of work. rates are low. appraisals are finally getting real. and once nervous sellers, they're getting a little less nervous.
fewer are underwater. not at all. and certainly not enough to turn around overnight, but enough to make realtors to take note and buyers take notice. the ebb and flow of economic principles did that. those kind of government programs come and go. what's going on with these rates and the underlying economy is having a little bit more permanence to it. i'm taking a leap, but i think this is real what's going on. not real great but not real recession either. not off to the races, as i said many times, certainly off the mat. so take note, mr. president, and put the executive pen down. all will be right if you put a cap on that pen and stop doing stuff that's made this housing recovery take so long. stop think. don't do. the recovery is here, if you just stay out of the way and let it take hold. then you can take the credit. you're off to the races.
you're in the history books. that's it. mortgage expert said this is the kind of stuff that led us into the housing crisis in the first place. david, great to have you. want to hear your expertise. the less government does the better -- the more market forces take over the better. what say you. >> market forces will correct it. they are correcting it. interest rates are at the lowest levels they've been for a long time. we have good credit boxes right now. if there's any government intervention they put a, quote, unquote, solution to fix the problem and it has lenders so afraid to lend. neil: they're concerned that the government will throw something at them so they're trying to stand back. >> i'm here at a client in sacramento. they heard me going on. they said tell them to back off the tack dogs in this industry.
it's not a problem that we have a too tight credit box, neil. this mortgage insurance premium, what he's doing here, that's fine. that will actually either put more money in people's pocket. neil: he wants to cut that so you're not paying an absort ant amount. >> he's saying this will allow consumers to save more money. it will allow consumers to use these extra monies up to whatever the amount is on the year he quoted. here's the problem the fallacy, i'm for this particular move. the fallacy is, we have to have a financial literacy training. we need that in america. what people will do when this extra money they're, quote unquote supposed save is going to get into a bigger mortgage. that starts a cycle. if we do that, that's fine. we have to address one government issue going on. get the attack dogs of
the regulators off bankers so they can lend safely and securely within the existing credit box. don't mess with the credit box. neil: the same lenders who are willie neely lending to everyone during the boom they learned they would be ripped a new one when they stopped lending. no one knows what its position is. the banks just say, we don't know which end is up with you. we'd rather you tell us the skinny, yes or no. >> you're darned if you do or you don't. just give clear guidance. all we need is clear guidance, not expanding government programs not enticing, quote, unquote, lenders to lend more -- neil: it just drags it out. david, you might have a future at this housing thing. keep at it. i think it looks promising. good seeing you, my friend. happy new year to you.
and i thought it was wrong. but it's true. intel is pledging $300 million to pledge diversity. that's actually one of the most diverse places on the planet. we asked how they would spend that money. they didn't have an answer. nigel, we know they've been working with jesse jackson's rainbow. push corp, but does anybody check to see if that minority hiring does pick up? >> the answer is no
they don't check back. they're very comfortable and content to get the headline and certainly reverend jackson and look i respect him. had a nice conversation with him the other day but while i respect him individually, i don't respect and appreciate the things he does. it does not further along the interests of the minority community and good corporate stewardship for that matter. neil: i did cover this in my reporting days. i thought that they would to our conversation earlier wrote the check to get these guys off their back. no one came back to say all right do we have now more minorities in the ranks? apparently not included in the minorities are asian workers are indian workers. they're ever much the definition of minority in the works force. what is really going on?
>> well, first of all well-stated on asian-americans because asian-americans are disproportionately represented in the work force. neil: certainly. >> and particularly that company. and that is a reflection that there is not a diversity problem in the industry generally. and in this company in particular. neil: what happens with al sharpton hitting up sony. the sony executive flies to new york to kiss the ring or whatever and to get him off her back, and i have noticed that since that meeting, i don't know what transpired, but he's not been ripping sony anymore. [laughter] big surprise there neil. no look, it's the extortion dance. and i've been talking about this for a couple of decades. and to be honest with you, neil, it is unfortunate. and unfortunately look, i think a lot of these corporate titans and a lot of what is in
corporate america are trying to do the right thing. they have to know that in this extortion dance that is not helpful to the minority community it is not helpful to the american community at large or to their own corporations ultimately, and, you know, neil, we're all moved by this horrific terrorist tragedy that took place in paris yesterday. and, you know, i asked myself the question -- you know, i knew i was coming on your show. i asked myself this question: the millions of dollars that corporate america has invested, the thousands of media hours that the media have invested in the likes of reverend jackson and reverend sharpton and that whole grievance industry, is that furthering along the cause of assimilation of minorities? i look at that situation in paris and do you
know that these terrorists were born in paris -- or, born in france. they were there for three decades. lived there for three decades. what i'm afraid of, neil, is that isolated population of five to 8 million muslims that are there north african muslims that are there that are isolated, alienated, frenchmen that that phenomenon is reaching our shores. neil: and encouraged by a government that doesn't want to dillydalliy with it. >> and with a corporate america thanks they're solving the problem by paying off al sharpton or jesse jackson when they're, in fact, exacerbating the problem. neil: i think you're right about that. i like getting another point of view. full throttle over full-time. republicans are pushing a bill that would change
a workweek from 30 hours to 40 hours a week. lots of businesses want it. the white house is signaling to veto it. what do the fox biz all-stars make of it? tracy, 30 hours a full week? >> the bureau of labor statistics defines part time as 30 or less. we pulled this out of a hat. neil: i'm so glad you said that. could have been somewhere else. >> if they do this, this will cripple small businesses. you need them working 40 hours for these people to supply health care or it will help these small businesses to go down to 30. neil: they're pushing it. the president is all, but promised i will veto it. we're back to square one. >> we're back to square one. tracy is right. the small business owner will bear the brunt of this. if you take the penalty it starts around 2,000-dollar per worker. a lot of these small
businesses are operating areon such narrow margins to begin with. adding penalties will put them in a lot of stress. >> classic government manipulation. commonly known definition like a workweek change it to serve their needs. more people will get trapped in obamacare. it had an unintended consequence, a lot of workers were relegated to part-time status, guess who they ticked off, the unions. the g.o.p. will be aligned with unions. not with enough votes to override a veto. >> 2016, it goes to 50 full-time employees. it falls. neil: so businesses will have few places to hide. >> that's why you have the 49ers as well who want to keep their employment below 50. neil: guys when we come back, 51 years ago today lbj kicked
neil: how time and money flies. the 51st anniversary on lyndon johnson's war on poverty. $21 trillion later do we have much to show for it? to historian julie who says that the mega price tag notwithstanding very few results. what happened? >> well, some of the programs did have an effect. they created a base of support for elderly americans and for poor americans. other programs the money wasn't spent well or the money was spent and it didn't solve some of the problems. neil: maybe the problem was amount of money that was spent over the years. he continued under other democrat and republican presidents and grew
exponentially. the percentage of those who were hungry remains roughly what it is then as it is now. >> that's right. when you took a look at it, the size of these welfare programs has dramatically increased. if you look at snap, for example, the supplemental assistance program, that went from 2% of americans in 1970 participating in this program to over 40 million. that would be 14% of americans involved and getting benefits from these programs. i mean, the numbers are outstanding. what's so unfortunate quite frankly, the poverty rate remains flat. in 1965, it was at 17%. we're looked at about 15% in the last three consecutive years. i mean, i see -- we're looking at a lot of money being spent. little progress and results. and, quite frankly creating an intergenerational cycle of dependence on welfare programs. neil: what happens, if you want to cut it or look for better
ways to spend it, you're callous or trying to take food out of kid or elder people's mouths. how do you address this that trillions of dollars later, a lot of wasted. not everyone is taken care of. >> it's hard to deal with policy in a polarizing environment. we need a careful evaluation. looking at some of the successful programs. neil: what's successful to you? >> it depends on your perspective. many people would say medicare ended the problem of older people not having health insurance. that was a problem in '64. not a problem now. there's problems with medicare, but we dealt with. food stamps a success. dealt with hunger, though not perfect. neil: we still have roughly the same percentages of hunger. >> poverty did drop in 1964. that said, i think the programs could benefit
from reevaluation. neil: 47 million of various types depend on food stamps. i'm not saying that many of those aren't deserving or in need of help. but if it's that many that need help then we're more like mozambique than the united states, aren't we. >> we're calculating the poverty differently. one in three americans are receiving benefits from federal and state government for welfare programs. i mean that's excessive. this is a time to reevaluate, figure out -- neil: they never do. right? >> no, we don't. >> you're absolutely right. >> one of the things you say, the underlying problems conservatives and liberals have differences on what they are. the band-aid nature of some of these programs doesn't solve the fundamental problems and we need find to find those debates and agreement. >> the status quo is not good enough. when you're dealing with government bureaucracy in a lot of these programs it really leads to just a stagnant
approach and not an innovative way to think how can we get more people out of welfare? how can we move forward to welfare reform and have less people dependent on these programs? neil: the debate ensues and so does the money that pays for it. speaking of things like food, would you like tofu with that. the new menu from mcdonald's proves that the guy running the place just really could be a clown after this.
neil: in tonight's biz blitz morals over money? the international red cross telling the american red cross not to take money from big tobacco. so the money that is meant to do good is no good because it comes from an industry the red cross, the international red cross deems bad. that seems odd to me. >> it seems odd. it seems like an
internal political battle. american red cross versus international red cross. at the end of the day, though, if the money is used to do good why not? neil: yeah, if i were the red cross, i'd take money from the mob. >> it's immoral. $2 million a year. then it's obscenely immoral for state and local governments to take so much money out of tobacco every year. and i don't think a woman whose house was turn apart by tornadoes i don't think she cares where that money comes from. >> there's a global program, that's why they're saying we can't fight disease and take money from these companies starting these diseases. they think it's good pr for these tobacco companies. who cares if it's good pr take the money and run. neil: mcdonald's is launching a new healthy cafe apparently
with no burgers no fries, no soda. i say no way. they have a lot of things like tofu. all you tofu eaters. what is with tofu turkey. you obviously miss the turkey. you knowing mcdonald's should hold the dressing on this? >> i don't know. sometimes you just have to be who you are. focus the menu. try new things. they introduce wraps. you're a burger and fry joint. be a burger and fry joint. neil: be comfortable who are. >> it's a 28 billion-dollar company. they'll try new brands. i think that's fine. but i think they have to go back to their roots. look at it this way, go back to the marketing roots. if you're child of the '70s, you know what is in the big mac. you're a child of the '70s, i think. neil: you have to get out.
[laughter] >> i think they're in a tough situation. they need to appeal to their loyal customers. neil: i think they'll confuse them. >> they need to appeal to the millennials. they need to get through that generation. neil: i don't think the millennials eat right. oh, i'll have the salad. >> they have to communicate a lot better about what their vision is for the future. they have to figure it out. >> that michael moore thing in school about what goes in these burgers. that was the death knell. >> kids will always like burgers and fries and shakes. neil: keep it very, very simple. when they expand to the point, that's why you're waiting so long on these drive-throughdrive-thrus. >> people want a better burger. not a patty of crap. >> you also need to innovate. you have to appeal to the changing culture and taste. neil: not everyone.
>> you can't ignore that. neil: exactly. exactly. like, you know, i appeal to the physically fit crowd. that's my -- that's what i do. >> nordic track. neil: there you go. nordic track. didn't seek me out yet. did an angry catholic really say that these french newspaper victims had it coming? >> i'm sick of tired of these brats who come out and say muslims you have to take it. why don't you disagree with islam and do it in a civil manner instead of basically acting like a bunch of libertarian thugs yourself.
"what's the deal, neil?" neil: and what is the deal with this individual thing that muslims had a right to be ticked off at all of those prophet muhammed cartoons. >> i definitely condemn these muslim barbarians deming but they did christians come and i condemn the lack of restraint for those individuals perverting freedom and choosing the most obscene and vulgar depictions of the prophet muhammed for the juvenile intent of insulting them. when you do that, you're going to get a response. neil: liss says, seriously are you kidding me? he does not represent me. and ed says that he was exactly right, that is how this republic works, with a moral foundation. and then another from virginia says that it is not this individual who doesn't get it but the french president who said that the french always win against their enemies when they come together. when was the last time that the
french one against any enemy? i hope they do better this time but their past experience is not encouraging. and john from virginia beach virginia says you don't know when you don't understand what is being hidden in the mosques in the u.s. when will the attack be crafted and where are the weapons hidden enact where do you think? and goldstar writes to us that do you think that we are starting to get that political correctness that does not work to and jim in michigan says shut down the borders and secure them before america becomes another france and britain and africa and tom says that parents have shown the world that you can't live lights in the head. the time is for action. and dan says that it was very interesting to watch president obama's comments on the terrorist attack. low-key and emotionless. when it comes to his own agenda
he is fire and brimstone and all excited and it says a lot about him. on to less urgent issues. what is the deal with justin bieber being the new face and body of calvin klein? and you guys on twitter can't believe it. another says i may have just lost my appetite for the rest of my life. and so i am trying to stay warm, the last thing that i need is a vision of this individual in shorts with his junk. then there is a santa clause that says thank you for taking on the heavy stuff and please keep doing the lord's work. and finally bill said with all due respect, it's time for you to retire. you play devil's advocate so long that you can't remember if you are a liberal or conservative or just plain confused. the truth is that i am a news man and a financial superhero.
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